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P*nce Sold

Monday, 28 July 08, 01:55 AM · Comments (148)

I know I know, one ought be more magnaniomus in defeat but as ever in life it's not the net the result but the manner in which it was achieved that grates.

Just on calling him ponce...

You are aware of it's etymology of course. Here's a very brief idiot's guide.

Juan Ponce de Lyon (b.1460). A one time footsoldier who did a deal with the Spanish. Scaring off the natives with only a few troops and legend has it a greyhound, he built a place he named Puerto Rico (Rich Port). It was a disaster. Difficult to reach and plagued by mosquitos. Eventually he had to move.

He feels he's had a better offer. Maybe he has. History will let us know in due course. She always does.

An long established northern filmmaker has threatened him with a starring role in a big budget production of, 'A Top Four Fairytale'. My gut feeling is he may actually find himself as understudy to the younger man, Torres. The camera loves the Clearasil free Torres and the script from the car coated director hasn't even hinted at an older, long lost brother. Let alone one from Tallaght, clutching a badly worn Kenny Dalglish poster -  to share in the Champions League widescreen spoils.

Artistic integrity goes out the Range Rover's window when you're given ninety thousand reasons a week (all with the Queen's head on) as an incentive to do a u-turn on your friends and fans.

It's the lack of dignity. The almost indecent haste he went from Mr Spurs to an ex employee. A charge that isn't, I'm embarrassed to say, up for debate.  

The money means he can move out of his modest lodgings, flee then the squalor of some meager six bedder in Chigwell or other. He'll be on the trumpet to the Cheshire Barry's Penthouse Portfolios Ltd and finally get a place with en suite swimming pools and a Cartier boutique in the entrance hall.

The quote only a few weeks ago from Pointy Shouty Bloke was the usual. 'I want to finish my career at Tottenham' or some such heartfelt flannel. I didn't commit it to memory. As it happens it turned out to be an olympian crock of meaningless white dog muck. 

He'd barely begun to rough someone up at his own wedding when was tapped up. Bewildered bewitched and bedazzled Bob.  Fried onions down his shirt, bottle of Bulmers in hand, fantasing about his missus whipping off her wedding gown to reveal 'Crown Paints' emblazoned across her Alans. Life in the fast lane.

Bob agreed so quickly he would have dislocated his conscience had he but owned one.  

There will be many that would seek want to demonstrate more composure and self control than me; feel they have greater perspective and thank him for his enormous contribution as they bid farewell to 'a true legend'.

I prefer to take the view that we were forced into selling a man who walked away after specifically saying he wouldn't.

His good works whilst at The Lane will remain and not be subject to snide denegration just because 'his head was turned'. But his well earnt place in our history book doesn't make him immune from being branded a louse.

So as he scuttles up to Anfield I'll remember him as a player that lacked commitment. A guy that ultimately didn't cut it. Failed to stay the course. These are exciting times at Tottenham. Ramos, Gus and the boy Levy have most of us capitivated with their bravery.

Keane's response was to bail to Bindipshire in search of his Rich Port.

I look forward to the day his footballing activities equate to a daytime finance telly ad.

"Hi, I'm Robbie Keane. I went into the Red and it cost me my good name. But here at IVA Direct we can guarantee your self respect for years to come with our new low monthly repayment 'Never Say Never Never Scheme'  ... Call us today!"

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Posted by HarryHotspur | Comments (148)

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Frazzle
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1. Frazzle Wrote: | 08.24BST | Jul 28, 2008

Harsh Harry, too harsh.

He gave us what amounts to about half his professional career, he's entitled to bugger off to his "boyhood team" and cash in if he so desires.

You would do the same if you played for Villa and Spurs came knocking.

When he was here he was commited, and he's hardly gone about it in a "Gareth Barry" kind of a way.

I think he deserves more respect and less sour grapes.

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2. kk Wrote: | 08.26BST | Jul 28, 2008

it is a shame he is leaving us but his hard work over the last 6 years will never be boo'd. In an ideal world no one would ever leave us but these days football aint about anything else other then money......not every player but alot of em are turned by the money. Ramos will now use this money to lure Arshavin or Villa. COYS!

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3. cb Wrote: | 08.27BST | Jul 28, 2008

Sad day, Let's hope JR and Co. announce a quick replacemnt ie next 48hrs.

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4. theoriginaldannyboy Wrote: | 08.33BST | Jul 28, 2008

Has he actually gone then? I lost any respect I may have had for him. After stating he wanted to stay at Spurs for the rest of his career, then leave (?) a month later is scandalous. I don't buy all this "boyhood team" bollocks. You're either committed to the cause or not; he obviously ain't, so fuck off and take the sulking Bulgarian with you. Bye. Auf wiedersehn. Woodgate for vice-captain. Robbie who? Cnut. Give me 11 Mark Falcos any day.

COYS

Fart Features
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5. Fart Features Wrote: | 08.34BST | Jul 28, 2008

I don't always agree with you Harry but i do 100% on this one.
Why did Robbie come out with all that crap and then fuck off and leave us 8 weeks later?
He's full of shit.

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6. Dubai Yid Wrote: | 08.34BST | Jul 28, 2008

I really want to say something profound after such a well written post, i think F**K off Bob" sums it up nicely!

And the merry go round will continue, we will be linked to every small striker in the world! thank god Paul Walsh has retired!

So what do we think his speech will at the conference, " I did not want to leave Spurs but to join my boyhood team was too much to turn down!?"

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7. HA YID Wrote: | 08.39BST | Jul 28, 2008

Spot On Harry.
If he hadn't have been so quick to tell everyone that he would hang up his boots at Spurs it would be awful but understandable.
The way he has done this, with no statements to the fans, just snide silence, shows me what kind of man he is.
So for all of you that felt the post was too harsh, let me be the first to admit that when he come back to WHL with the pikeys, I will be wearing my Robbie #10 shirt, and giving the treacherous c*nt the abuse he so richly deserves. I hope he breaks his leg.

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8. HOCKLEY Wrote: | 08.45BST | Jul 28, 2008

:P i cnt wait til the transfer window is shut coz we wil have a really gd team with such players as capel bentley villa arshavin nene wiland and milito!!!!! coys!!!

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9. jamiespurs Wrote: | 08.45BST | Jul 28, 2008

He'll probably do the press conference from Stevie G's living room while Bob and Carra play on stevie's playstation meanwhile stevie's ma cooks them beans on toast!

IMO Keano has been tapped up by gerrard and Carragher. Keano will regret leaving Spurs as Benitez will play him out wide where Bob's huge lack of pace be exposed or as back up to torres. We all know Keano is only any good when he has a run of games under his belt and when he's going to be on the bench all the time he will take ages to hit any form.

I think Ramos didn't want Keane and Spurs are more than happy to let him go for a good price. Bob's lack of loyalty has been uncovered so Pool fans beware! he'll be off to Celtic first chance he gets, proclaming his love for them!!

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10. Gareth Wrote: | 08.46BST | Jul 28, 2008



Watch how the Spurs fans suddenly decide he's shit now he's off. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed but it's frankly ridiculous how many petulant articles and comments I've read sayng 'who cares, he's shit, we can do better' when just a few months before he was a cult hero.

There's nothing wrong with admitting your gutted and that he's going to be a loss. Sure he's not worth £20m and we can replace him but Robbie brings more than just a wealth of a ability. By all accounts he was a binding force in the dressing room, bringing the players together. Thats nowhere near as easy to replace.

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11. dubai yid Wrote: | 08.49BST | Jul 28, 2008

unlike Murphys I am bitter!

If he'd just come and said something, things may have been slightly different (not a lot but slightly)

Now I'm going to have to read the crap newsnow throws out for the next week.

Need something to cheer me up! Oh yeah it's bloomin sunny here!

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12. tremblyknees Wrote: | 08.51BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Dubai Yid:

I really want to say something profound after such a well written post, i think F**K off Bob" sums it up nicely!

And the merry go round will continue, we will be linked to every small striker in the world! thank god Paul Walsh has retired!

So what do we think his speech...

Dubai Yid - perhaps it might be "It wasn't deliberate handball but you need a bit of luck". I honestly think that when he said he wanted to stay for life he probably meant it, but I don't think we should discount the 'married man' effect. I can imagine Claudine (lovely body, boats getting a bit ropey though?) saying - "Lets do it cartwheel boy, we can buy a speed boat with the extra money and nip over to Eire on the weekends when you don't even make the bench".

Thanks for the memories and the £20 Mil Keano, I'm sure Ramos will more than easily replace you (more easily than we'll be able to forgive you for not staying the course) but to quote another of your gems “We don't want to get too carried away. We'll take each game as it comes and hopefully in May we'll be there” instead of Le Arse and the Piddlepool .

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13. YiddenAgenda Wrote: | 08.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

A bit too harsh Harry. Written more with your heart than your head methinks! He wasn't a 'legend' (that word is too commonplace nowadays anyway) but I'll never belittle what he did for us. Would you categorise Klinsmann as a 'louse' too for running off when he'd had enough? If Poyet decided to go to ManUre would you turn as quick on him?
Robbie has been quiet and dignified in all this - unlike Bebasulk. His silence is only in keeping with the clubs policy on no comment. Do you all wish he's air everything through a maggot of an agent like Berba?
Alright he may ultimately go but I'd be confident if he was told he couldn't go he'd be professional enough to still play his utmost for the Lilywhite jersey.
So are the club too eager to sell?
He's proved in the past he may bitch and moan but at the end of the day he'll pull up his socks put his head down and do whats best for the team.
Go or stay, either way, I'll applaud him every time I see him at the Lane.
£20M for a 28yr old either isn't to be sniffed at and I'm sure JR ain't letting him go without knowing who will cover or replace him.

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14. toddspur Wrote: | 08.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

although a bit harsh HH i can understand why; IF RK had been honest from the start and via the club made an announcement that he has been approached and was considering leaving or if fact decided he was leaving then maybe some of us could have been more circumspect about it, by hiding and leaving us lot to say "no way, he is Mr Tottenham and has stated this and that" we all now feel like niave twats, thanks Robs, I can make myself look a cnut; dont need you to do that for me.........

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15. HarryHotspur Wrote: | 08.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Gareth:



Watch how the Spurs fans suddenly decide he's shit now he's off. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed but it's frankly ridiculous how many petulant articles and comments I've read sayng 'who cares, he's shit, we can do better' when just a few months before he was a cult hero....

There is bound to be a backlash.

I think those that will just use this as an opportunity to slate him as a player are the usual know it all know nothing cyber parasites.

He has made an amazing contribution to Tottenham. His stats will stand.

Just the way it's ended... is pretty abysmal.

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16. theoriginaldannyboy Wrote: | 08.53BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Gareth:



Watch how the Spurs fans suddenly decide he's shit now he's off. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed but it's frankly ridiculous how many petulant articles and comments I've read sayng 'who cares, he's shit, we can do better' when just a few months before he was a cult hero....

Gareth, your wife has just left you for her childhood sweetheart, but it's ok, just be a bit gutted and admit she'll be a bit of a loss. And all this after she said she wants to spend the rest of her career with you. Phew. Penny dropping? Don't come on here and call me petulant. Knob. Now fuck off with pointy shouty bloke. Right, where's Mark Falco?

coys

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17. Bert Simpkins Wrote: | 08.59BST | Jul 28, 2008

Lets all be really fair and say what a good chap he is and 'wish him well for the future'. Lets also count our money and ignore him when he comes to the lane as if 'he was just another player'.

HarryHotspur
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18. HarryHotspur Wrote: | 08.59BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to theoriginaldannyboy:

Reply to Gareth:



Watch how the Spurs fans suddenly decide he's shit now he's off. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed but it's frankly ridiculous how many petulant articles and comments I've read sayng 'who cares, he's shit, we can do better' when just a few months before he was a cult hero....

Gareth, your wife has just left you for her childhood sweetheart, but it's ok, just be a bit gutted and admit she'll be a bit of a loss. And all this after she said she wants to spend the rest of her career with you. Phew. Penny dropping? Don't come on here and call me petulant. Knob. Now fuck off...

LINK

:? ;) :D

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19. davspusrs Wrote: | 09.02BST | Jul 28, 2008

:\ never mind the silents what about the shirt launch all them children and a few adults with brand new shirts with keane on the back its discracful and spurs should take them back and refund the money after all he was on a 5 year deal and spurs are once again showing ambition by braking up one of the most deadly partneships in the prem and to our rivals we should have uped the price like villa after all they are skint and gambeling on top 4 shame on you levey and the morale to this story dont upset the spanish arm folder remember at city

Ciao
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20. Ciao Wrote: | 09.03BST | Jul 28, 2008

It's alright, PROVIDED we can replace him with Arshavin or Villa (or both, given that Defoe has gone and Berb is probably going to leave fairly soon).
Personally I think Keane has had his best two seasons ever at WHL and I can't see him getting any better or even maintaining that form for another season. He has just made Spurs a lot of money. Buy low, sell high. He still loves Spurs in his heart.

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21. Shannon Wrote: | 09.05BST | Jul 28, 2008

Very disappointing end to an outstanding WHL career. Over six seasons, how many times was RK voted fans' player of the year? One thing's for sure, he's cured me of ever idolising any football player again.

PAD
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22. PAD Wrote: | 09.06BST | Jul 28, 2008

Don't worry.......this is going to be a great week for Tottenham....Watch this space

HarryHotspur
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23. HarryHotspur Wrote: | 09.08BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to PAD:

Don't worry.......this is going to be a great week for Tottenham....Watch this space

I think you may be on to something there, friend...

Bert Simpkins
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24. Bert Simpkins Wrote: | 09.10BST | Jul 28, 2008

@Pad
Maybe, but did you hear the most amazing rumour ever to hit WHL,coming on wednesday morning?

toddspur
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25. toddspur Wrote: | 09.11BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to davspusrs:

:\ never mind the silents what about the shirt launch all them children and a few adults with brand new shirts with keane on the back its discracful and spurs should take them back and refund the money after all he was on a 5 year deal and spurs are once again showing ambition by braking up one of...

great point, might have to get a refund for both my shirts then, Berbatov and keane, what a cock i am!

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26. tremblyknees Wrote: | 09.12BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Bert Simpkins:

Lets all be really fair and say what a good chap he is and 'wish him well for the future'. Lets also count our money and ignore him when he comes to the lane as if 'he was just another player'.

The problem is Bert - he wasn't ever just 'another player'. He WAS a pivotal element in the squad, a motivator, a goal scorer, a fan favourite. Thats why breaking up is hard to do. If you don't give two sh!ts a la Chimbo, then fine. But if you're married to them as theoriginaldannyboy said - thats hard to take.

A quote from Woody not so long ago:
"There is a feeling here similar to the one I had when I was at Leeds," Woodgate added. "It's hard to explain but it's a sense of anticipation, of excitement that we could be on the verge of achieving something special.

"I had my old Leeds team-mate Robbie Keane also telling me what a great club it was and what a great crop of young players Spurs had.

"In fact, he could have been the club's chief scout the way he was going on! But he is right - the potential here is unlimited, especially when you see the age of some of our players. "

Shame that Keano won't be here to reap the rewards and share that 'something special' when we get there.

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27. davspur Guest Wrote: | 09.13BST | Jul 28, 2008

=D SPURS FANS HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE BIGGER PICTURE WE PLAY THE CHEATS IN THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON I HOPE WE DONT HAVE TO WIN TO GET IN THE DEPT LEAGUE FOR SKINT CLUBS BECAUSE ROBBIE JUST MAY COME BACK TO HAUNT US AND THE 18 MILL OR SO WILL SEEM LIKE CHICKEN FEED WELL DONE LEVEY

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28. toddspur Wrote: | 09.14BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to tremblyknees:

Reply to Bert Simpkins:

Lets all be really fair and say what a good chap he is and 'wish him well for the future'. Lets also count our money and ignore him when he comes to the lane as if 'he was just another player'.

The problem is Bert - he wasn't ever just 'another player'. He WAS a pivotal element in the squad, a motivator, a goal scorer, a fan favourite. Thats why breaking up is hard to do. If you don't give two sh!ts a la Chimbo, then fine. But if you're married to them as theoriginaldannyboy said - thats...

his fucking loss, if we pip scousers to 4th i will piss my pants

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29. dubai yid Wrote: | 09.15BST | Jul 28, 2008

To Pad, Harry and Bert,

Come on spill the beans! Or are you all going to giggle in the corner and keep your secrets and when a signing is announced claim " I knew that!"

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30. Blog-Head Wrote: | 09.16BST | Jul 28, 2008

Shannon,

Was talking to people over the weekend about how this transfer window has confirmed the end of football Idols.

Man U are the biggest club in the world yet are struggling to hang on to there best player

TMWNN
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31. TMWNN Wrote: | 09.19BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to theoriginaldannyboy:

Reply to Gareth:



Watch how the Spurs fans suddenly decide he's shit now he's off. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed but it's frankly ridiculous how many petulant articles and comments I've read sayng 'who cares, he's shit, we can do better' when just a few months before he was a cult hero....

Gareth, your wife has just left you for her childhood sweetheart, but it's ok, just be a bit gutted and admit she'll be a bit of a loss. And all this after she said she wants to spend the rest of her career with you. Phew. Penny dropping? Don't come on here and call me petulant. Knob. Now fuck off...

You could look at it like that, but instead of acting like a love sick pup, I'd prefer to not look back and be pleased that I'd got shot of my ageing, whinging and nagging missus. One that has left me £20m to go out and hire the services of younger, sexier and slightly less duplicitous sluts. :P

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32. Blog-Head Wrote: | 09.24BST | Jul 28, 2008

I hope this is one of those occasions when the worst thing turns out to be the best thing

Blog-Head
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33. Blog-Head Wrote: | 09.28BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to TMWNN:

Reply to theoriginaldannyboy:
Reply to Gareth:



Watch how the Spurs fans suddenly decide he's shit now he's off. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed but it's frankly ridiculous how many petulant articles and comments I've read sayng 'who cares, he's shit, we can do better' when just a few months before he was a cult hero....

Gareth, your wife has just left you for her childhood sweetheart, but it's ok, just be a bit gutted and admit she'll be a bit of a loss. And all this after she said she wants to spend the rest of her career with you. Phew. Penny dropping? Don't come on here and call me petulant. Knob. Now fuck off...

You could look at it like that, but instead of acting like a love sick pup, I'd prefer to not look back and be pleased that I'd got shot of my ageing, whinging and nagging missus. One that has left me £20m to go out and hire the services of younger, sexier and slightly less duplicitous sluts. :P ...

TMWNN,

Thats cool as long as we hire the younger sluts and dont just gamble the money away down the bookies

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34. onedavemackay Wrote: | 09.30BST | Jul 28, 2008

I agree with Jamiespur (Is this a "first"?).

I am not sure JR is that bothered and nor will we be if Villa comes instead. I also can't see exactly how he fits in up there.

As you say Harry, it's how he departed that irks which brings me back to Berba who keeps his gob shut and lets Dan Chav and full of it Fergus talk all the bollocks. I know most of you are off the big Bulgar but he has the dignity Pointy Bloke lacks.

Blog-Head
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35. Blog-Head Wrote: | 09.35BST | Jul 28, 2008

I thing Keane doesn't trust Ramos' faith in him

onedavemackay
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36. onedavemackay Wrote: | 09.36BST | Jul 28, 2008

If the pool pay 18 mil I reckon we'll have banked well over 30 mil in the last week.



Danny thinks : "Hmmmm 30 mil plus now WHO could I spend that on ?"




Answers on a postcard

jamiespurs
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37. jamiespurs Wrote: | 09.40BST | Jul 28, 2008

Danny >>>>>>>

Mr David Villa. Come on down the price is right!!

Add in Mr D Bentley and we have ourselves a frightening midfield / strike force.

HH i see that Veloso has signalled his intent to leave Sporting Lisbon. Word is he's available for £14m what chance of Spurs going after the guy???

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38. tremblyknees Wrote: | 09.45BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Bert Simpkins:

Lets all be really fair and say what a good chap he is and 'wish him well for the future'. Lets also count our money and ignore him when he comes to the lane as if 'he was just another player'.

Shannon

I'm embarrassed to say my first football idol was Kevin Keegan. I know he was never a spurs man, but when you're a little kid and watching england matches in black and white - how was I supposed to know any better. The fact that he was on superstars was a big deal in my school. When I couldn't be him when we played world cup in the playground, I was some bloke called Zico who scored a few goals in the actual world cup.

Anyway, I grew up and realised KK's perm wasn't right for me and moved onto Glenn. My prized possesion for years was glenn hoddle pencil sharpener ffs. Now I wasn't that keen on his mullet either, but he was the best passer of the ball I'd ever seen. Inch perfect, with just the right pace, effortless grace - imagine what he would be like in todays game. Feck cronaldo with his table tennis nonsense, our Glenn would show him up for what he is and get the fear of God in him. Unfortunately, GH in his managerial days took the shine off, and I had to move on to pastures new. Keano was fast becoming my next idol, especially in some of his words and actions this last season. Moments of brilliance, that never say die approach, the effort that made up for that little bit of something that was missing, but he won't reach proper idol staus in my eyes now.

The point is, you may or may not regret the parting of the ways, but there will always be another one round the corner to make you shout their name out loud. Jose Paul Mpoku - we're waiting...

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39. toddspur Wrote: | 09.56BST | Jul 28, 2008

just to keep me sane;

Gomes
Hutton (even on one leg) Woody King Bale (even on one leg)

Bentley Modric Thudd Capel/Lennon

Berbs Villa

Subs; Peckhart, Steeeeeeeeed, Swedish Keeper chap, JJ, Bent & Dawson

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40. Nunchucks Wrote: | 10.22BST | Jul 28, 2008

Ay carumba.

Assassinate much?

Just to put what was said in context, what Furious Bob actually said was "I want to stay at Spurs _as_long_as_I'm_wanted_."

In the interviews following the bid, Ramos didn't exactly give us the cast irons that where The Peter Kay Brigade was concerned, we'd fight them on the beaches, fight them in the hills, and never surrender, did he?

I think at £18m, Spurs have been only too happy to be complicit in the northernising of Furious Bob. And with that said, off with you Bob, with no disaffection nor ill intent from me.

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41. tremblyknees Wrote: | 10.24BST | Jul 28, 2008

toddspur - all this speculation doesn't help to keep me sane. 3 weeks to kick off and we don't have a clue who's really going to be lining up in some key positions. Still if you say it helps...

Gomes
Hutton Woody King Bale
D.Albelda
Bently Modric D.Villa Dos Santos
Berbs

Now where would Keano have fit into this line up? I've gone with a 4-1-4-1 I'm not that sure about Capel coming, because Sevilla have got the right arse with us. But I do think Villa will join (unless Real get him first). Of the Valencia squad, I think Albelda will be the best bet to arrive, but with the most effort going into persuading Villa to come to WHL. And who is this swedish keeper chap you're on about? I've also stuck Bently in there - keeping the faith that he will come, but wouldn't be surprised to see Joaquin there instead.

Park Lane Nomad
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42. Park Lane Nomad Wrote: | 10.31BST | Jul 28, 2008

I remember Jol had an epiphany about Lennon sitting behind the front 2 and terrorising defences from deep, I don't remember him ever actually trying it, but with Bentley wide, and Lennon behind a front man, it could be a nightmare to defend against.
You want a team from me...
4-4-1-1

Gomes

Hutton, Woody, King, Bale

Lennon, Modric, Huddlestone, Dos Santos

Jenas

Berbatov

This is working on what we currently have.

toddspur
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43. toddspur Wrote: | 10.32BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to tremblyknees:

toddspur - all this speculation doesn't help to keep me sane. 3 weeks to kick off and we don't have a clue who's really going to be lining up in some key positions. Still if you say it helps...

Gomes
Hutton Woody King Bale
D.Albelda
Bently Modric D.Villa ...

like yours better actually, either one is shit hot mate.

jamiespurs
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44. jamiespurs Wrote: | 10.33BST | Jul 28, 2008

Trembly

Joaquin won't come. the guy has regressed since joining Valencia and due to poor form and injury he would be too much of a risk. We already have King and Woody to keep the Physio's sweating!!

Bentley will come. Now Robbo has joined rovers the Bentley deal i'm sure is imminent. Bentley for around £15-16m.

I'd love to see Albelda and Villa at the lane. Albelda would add steel and experience to a young, talented, silky midfield. We all know what Villa would bring; goals, top class finishing and an eye for goal that 95% of strikers lack.

I think the 2 of them could be bought for £30m-34m and for what they could bring to the team this would be IMO a bargain. Berba would be stupid to not be impressed by the signing of Villa and I would expect him to stick it out for another season especially as UTD seem to be backtracking on trying to sign him. BUT if Villa comes and Berba leaves, I'm sure the sight of Villa in the lilywhite would make up for that!!

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45. Nunchucks Wrote: | 10.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

JamieSpurs, where have you got this valuation from? By my calculation, you must have valued Villa at close to £30m, seeing as the other David is over 30, and can't get into the Valencia first 11.

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46. jamiespurs Wrote: | 10.58BST | Jul 28, 2008

Villa's agent has encouraged Spurs to bid for Villa and stated that a bid of around £31.5m would be enough to secure Villa's signature (beat Madrid to him) - Sky Sports News at the weekend

Albelda is being touted at around the £3m mark and for that money IMO is a steal!

In fairness £35m for 2 players who would improve the squad hugely is good. Albelda would be able to give Hudd and the players around him knowledge and the benefit of his experience (as Davids did) and Villa would give us one of the best strikers in the modern game.

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47. Chingford Spur Wrote: | 11.00BST | Jul 28, 2008

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Trembly

Joaquin won't come. the guy has regressed since joining Valencia and due to poor form and injury he would be too much of a risk. We already have King and Woody to keep the Physio's sweating!!

Bentley will come. Now Robbo has joined rovers the Bentley deal i'm...

It's just tactics mate! Let Levy worry you'll leave him with an unsettled player, get yourself publicly linked to other top strikers, then wait for Spurs to compromise on Berba's price.

Lots of time left in the transfer window.

Berba won't be with us when the season kicks off.

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48. Nunchucks Wrote: | 11.12BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to jamiespurs:

Villa's agent has encouraged Spurs to bid for Villa and stated that a bid of around £31.5m would be enough to secure Villa's signature (beat Madrid to him) - Sky Sports News at the weekend

Albelda is being touted at around the £3m mark and for that money IMO is a steal!
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Do you honestly see Spurs spunking £32m on one player? Really?

I agree that Albelda at £3m is a decent short term solution, but in a couple of years we'll be in the same position with no financial ROI to realise on the player.

No, sir, I would much rather muscle in on Veloso for half the Villa sum, with a view to playing the increasingly desperate Arshavin off've or rotated with Bent for potentially less money than you have touted for the Davids.

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49. jamiespurs Wrote: | 11.21BST | Jul 28, 2008

Nunchucks,

We have just got shot off one disloyal player. Do we really want to pay near on £20m for a guy who; a)would rather go to Barca, b)is 28 and has only really hit the headlines over the past 18months and c)has never played outside his own country or in a league thats any good??

If we buy Veloso and Arshavin the combined sum would be around £30m anyways. If Berba is sold and Keano is sold too that leaves us with around £40m to spend PLUS the money from Chimbo, Tainio and Kaboul. We will have around £50m to spend.

Bentley £16m Villa £31m Albelda £3m = £49m

And thats with just money we have got by SALES alone. The board will give Ramos money if he needs it so realistically we could still go for Veloso or Capel or a CB.

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50. Bert Simpkins Wrote: | 11.24BST | Jul 28, 2008

@Dubai Yid.

I was only making the tongue in cheek remark as i found the comment frustrating and irritating!

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51. Nunchucks Wrote: | 11.31BST | Jul 28, 2008

The Arshavin point is one I'm aware you've made before, and although I don't necessarily agree with it, it's fair enough. I believe E20m is fair for someone of Arshavin's ability, and I also believe that his Euros performance puts the 'player as good as his league' argument to bed. And, don't get confused over this, there isn't a single player we have signed who wouldn't rather play for Barca if first team football was available - you can take that to the bank.

However, this was only a devils advocate point. Swap Arshavin out for £18m Huntelaar, if you like. The point is that as far as Spurs ploughing all the profit from a seasons sale into a purchase that nearly doubles the club record, you have two hopes: Bob and No.

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52. tremblyknees Wrote: | 11.32BST | Jul 28, 2008

Nunchucks, I also can't see Levy doubling the current record fee to get Villa in. But like Jamiespurs said, Albelda and Villa in for a combo of £30-35M spondoolies sounds fair in todays market. Break it up however you want. Does £12M + £22M sound any better than £32M + £3M. It all amounts to the same price, and with Levy's bargaining skills I can see that being a package of £35M over a few years or less than the quoted amounts. Prior to his fallout with Koeman, Albelda would have easily been around the £15M mark. With the combined steel, expereince and eye for goal - we'll have hit the proverbial two birds with one stone.

What is a shame is that we failed to get them in January. My pockets would be deep and my arms short if i was pushed to sign arshavin for £20M. For £12 he would be worth a punt, but honestly - I know inflation is hitting us, but the numbers we've heard about recently are staggering!

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53. SHELFSIDE Wrote: | 11.42BST | Jul 28, 2008

I think everyone can agree with me when I say we need some good news of some quality incoming i.e Bentley asap after Liverpool announce keane's signing

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54. Nunchucks Wrote: | 11.42BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to tremblyknees:

Nunchucks, I also can't see Levy doubling the current record fee to get Villa in. But like Jamiespurs said, Albelda and Villa in for a combo of £30-35M spondoolies sounds fair in todays market. Break it up however you want. Does £12M + £22M sound any better than £32M + £3M. It all amounts to the...

So, what you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's okay to scale down on the price of one player, as long as we grotesquely inflate the market value of the other player?

Albeda is over 30 and can't hold on to a first team place. Spurs release a statement on their official website saying that they have signed this guy for £12M, and this pleases you knowing that we lose a return on investment on the player by £10-11M in the first season?

Perhaps, please God, I'm misunderstanding you (I don't think I am), but that just makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

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55. 9__37 Wrote: | 11.42BST | Jul 28, 2008

My gut feeling is that Keane was considered expendable and manouevered to the exit. His glowing praise of life at Spurs leaves a sour taste, but I'd rather spend my energy contemplating the eternal mysteries of the universe, such as Lennon's eyebrow and Jenas' form. (I'm expecting big things from these chaps this year.)

Keane had a huge following at the Lane, but his departure puts me in mind of Monty Python's Life of Brian, when Brian's mum yells to the clamouring hordes: "He's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy."

Considering the tactics being used over the potential transfers of Berbatov, Villa ('no longer interested', 'launch a bid' respectively), I detect a need for THFC Secret Services to despatch Agent Hotspur into the field to act as reconnaissance and provocateur.

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56. Nunchucks Wrote: | 11.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

Lennon's eyebrow is cutting edge.

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57. jamiespurs Wrote: | 11.53BST | Jul 28, 2008

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Reply to tremblyknees:

Nunchucks, I also can't see Levy doubling the current record fee to get Villa in. But like Jamiespurs said, Albelda and Villa in for a combo of £30-35M spondoolies sounds fair in todays market. Break it up however you want. Does £12M + £22M sound any better than £32M + £3M. It all amounts to the...

So, what you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's okay to scale down on the price of one player, as long as we grotesquely inflate the market value of the other player?

Albeda is over 30 and can't hold on to a first team place. Spurs release a statement on their...

I think what Trembly is trying to say is that £34m is still £34m whatever way you look at it and when the money is going to the same club then what does it matter how much we pay?? The Dawson & Reid transfer was exactly the same!

Albelda was booted out of the team by Koeman who proved he couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag. Albelda could play until he was 34 and his experience is invaluable to a young team like ours. He will bring know-how and also hopefully impart his knowledge onto Hudd who could shadow Albelda and learn the tricks of the CDM trade. In this way Albelda would prove very valuable - remember how the younger guys enjoyed having Davids at the club?? If Hudd does become the player we know he can then we wouldn't have to buy a player like Veloso.

Villa is one of the top strikers in the world right now. Any club would love to have him in their side and if we have the money to spend then why not recruit the best?? I doubt the transfer fee would be paid in a lump sum although Valencia's bank manager would prefer it that way! It would probably be £20m up front then the rest on appearances, goals etc etc.

If we have the chance to bring Villa in then we should go for him.

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58. SHELFSIDE Wrote: | 11.55BST | Jul 28, 2008

We have to spend like the big boys if we want to be one of the big boys!

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59. tremblyknees Wrote: | 12.08BST | Jul 28, 2008

Spot on JS. I would say you're a mind reader - but you added some much better points than I thought of.

Shelfside - as long as we beware the examples of Leeds and now Valencia.

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60. Nunchucks Wrote: | 12.08BST | Jul 28, 2008

1) In case you hadn't noticed, Spurs spend in the Premier League is only surpassed by Chelsea and United.

2) Davids was free.

3) Villa is one of the best strikers in the world, agreed. Is he £12M better than Huntelaar?

Discuss.

4) Bundling players together and sticking any old price on them only looks like bargain business to the, and please don't take this personally, the utterly business illiterate.

It's not unlike me charging you £70k for a job lot including a Porsche and a Mondeo with a 100k on the clock, factoring in the Mondeo at £10k. This works for you, does it?

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61. jamiespurs Wrote: | 12.19BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Nunchucks:

1) In case you hadn't noticed, Spurs spend in the Premier League is only surpassed by Chelsea and United.

2) Davids was free.

3) Villa is one of the best strikers in the world, agreed. Is he £12M better than Huntelaar?

Discuss.

4)...

I dont drive so the car analogy was pretty wasted on me!

Villa is internationally proven and plays and scores regularly for an underperforming team in one of the best leagues in the world. I like Huntelaar and think he will become a great striker but unlike Villa he is only proven in the dutch league and has not really had a chance to shine on the international stage. For those reasons yes I do think that Villa is worth £12m more than Huntelaar.

£3m is chicken feed in todays transfer world and the experience and leadership skills Albelda would bring to our midfield are worth that much IMO.

I know Chelsea and Man Utd are the only sides to spend more than us but we are aspiring to hit the big time and surpass teams like Arsenal and Liverpool. To do this we have to spend big on getting the best players available. Villa is certainly one of them.

If Spurs signed Villa it would be one of the biggest moments in Tottenham history. When we lose Berba and Keano we need one of the best to come in and hit the ground running. Villa is that man.

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62. SHELFSIDE Wrote: | 12.22BST | Jul 28, 2008

Nunchucks - who would you buy and at what price????if you had say £50-60mill????

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63. Nunchucks Wrote: | 12.37BST | Jul 28, 2008

"I know Chelsea and Man Utd are the only sides to spend more than us but we are aspiring to hit the big time and surpass teams like Arsenal and Liverpool. To do this we have to spend big on getting the best players available. Villa is certainly one of them."

I couldn't agree with you less, old chap.

Flashing the cash has been our philosophy to date, and has yielded questionable results.

Compare this with Arsenal or Portsmouth who spend considerably less by adopting a buy-smart methodology, and return a success-to-pound spent ratio that reflects a sound business model.

So, obviously, this means the natural thing for us to do is double the club transfer fee on one David Villa, yes? Huntelaar, if I may go back to this example, has a tremendous national and international goals to games ratio, and it's buying players at precisely this time or even earlier that see an increase in stock. May I remind you that the only reason we're in a flush position at the moment regarding Berbatov and Furious Bob is because we bought smart, and have been fortunate to see their stock inflate. If we'd adopted this money's burning a hole in my pocket, please take it off my hands mentality you're peddling, we wouldn't be sitting pretty counting the money now - and I daresay we won't be a couple years from now after blowing our load on one David Villa for £32M. Or David Albeda for, what was it...£12M?

I think you said it best when you said you couldn't get your head around an analogy because you had no experience of the field which that analogy pertained to. You might argue the same of football trading, perhaps. But, if they ever make a Brewster's Millions II, you might want to speak to your agent.

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64. BruceCastle Wrote: | 12.39BST | Jul 28, 2008

RK's departure gives added incentive to finish ahead of the Liverpool. Bring it on you cunts.

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65. tremblyknees Wrote: | 12.42BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Nunchucks:

1) In case you hadn't noticed, Spurs spend in the Premier League is only surpassed by Chelsea and United.

2) Davids was free.

3) Villa is one of the best strikers in the world, agreed. Is he £12M better than Huntelaar?

Discuss.

4)...

I think we've got to look at two things here. i) Current Market Values ii) Actual worth to the squad.

Ed Davids was free but that doesn't mean his influence on the spurs squad proportionally less than those we paid more for. If you mean he was a bargain and we should just focus on those who are 'more value for money' - then although I agree that a long term strategy of buying low, developing and selling high when we're done - I think that's just one of the strategies that the club is using.

Current inflated market prices are pushing up the prices of Villa etc especially after performances in Euro 2008. But what is their real value to the squad if we we're able to get them? Huntelaar is cheaper than Villa, granted, but if you were Ramos - would you have as much belief in his abilities than Villa whose career he's tracked for years? I'm ok to say that I've only seen smidgeons of Huntelaar on youtube, and whilst he looks good in Holland, theres no way I could say that he's the perfect piece for the jigsaw puzzle that Ramos is trying to solve.

Likewise, current market values and the unfortunate (for them) relationship with Albelda and Koeman, means that he may be available around the £3M mark. However his value to the spurs squad will more than mirror what was his contracts original release clause of 60M Euros. In the same was that Davids presence benefitted the team in terms of experience, skill and leadership. Albelda's long stint as captain of Valencia married to the price, should suitably meet your requirement of a bargain.

This will be a season, unlike any other in recent times for Spurs - in that the club has spent Big4 money on the manager it believes in, and is further backing him in the transfer market more than I ever would have expected. More than just another "Perhaps it will be this year lads", what i see is a club for all its worth is trying its damnedest to make sure we actually make it. Forget BMJ's 5 year plan - for levy&co, its now or never

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66. 9__37 Wrote: | 12.43BST | Jul 28, 2008

Veloso would be a fine addition, in my 'umble.

The money issue is fine if you're thinking existentially. If you have £40 mil to spend on various players, what does it matter how you divvy it up? £40 mil is £40 mil. You might as well pay £39 mil for Albelda and £1 mil for Villa.

But businesses can't operate that way. Those prices represent valuations of unique assets and contribute to your end-of-year figures as (among other things) losses and gains. These valuations will, in the course of time, go up or down and, occasionally, stay the same. Pluses and minuses represent different values, and are declared in your annual report to investors and shareholders.

I don't think David Villa is worth £31 mil. Agents gratuitously use Spurs to kick-start the bidding process because it's apparent that we're not short of a few bob - except, of course, the Bob going to Pool.

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67. Nunchucks Wrote: | 12.48BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to SHELFSIDE:

Nunchucks - who would you buy and at what price????if you had say £50-60mill????

If attracting players to the club was no issue, I would approach Veloso at £15M, Huntelaar at £18M, Bentley at £8M+Lennon, Capel at £15M and Tal Haim at £5M.

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68. MysteriousStranger Wrote: | 12.50BST | Jul 28, 2008

From the very beginning of this mooted transfer I acknowledged Spurs would be hard pressed to keep Robbie, (citing various reasons whilst others were clinging to his recent statement of perceived loyalty to THFC, something I also quashed "Joaquin" style...).

As I considered it quite possible I was mentally prepared, and so I shall simply say goodbye to him. Disappointed I may be. But I like to think I can keep some perspective in all matters Tottenham. He remains one of the best strikers we've had at the club for years, and someone who should at least go out with some recognition for his effort on the pitch. Take note Berbatov. Without Keane you're gonna have to do some running. Either in a Spurs shirt, or to another club.

Which brings us to Villa. I do rate him, but £31.5 mill is too much for one player. Euro top goalscorer. Yes. Three goals in the first game vs an Arshavinless Russia. One goal vs Sweden. 4 goals. Total. If he was a £20 million rated player pre-Euro 2008 it defies logic to suggest off the back of two games he is suddenly worth £11.5 million more. I would prefer it if we waxed the lot on Arshavin AND Pavlyuchenko. And perhaps picked up Albelda for £2 mill as well.

If we did spend that much on Villa, I can see it going something like this:

Two years in a Spurs shirt, followed by a desire to play for another, "bigger" club. And less profit to be made than the one we stand to make from the sale of one Dimitar Berbatov. At least at around £11 mill he didn't cost us an arm and a leg. Unless that arm and a leg belonged to a whole David Villa, that is.

And I for the record I don't think Villa is £12 million better than Huntelaar.

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69. 9__37 Wrote: | 12.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

In other news, what are these rumours concerning the Dame making a quiet exit when the new season begins? Harry, is there anything in your vending machine that tastes like a 'Dame Bar'?

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70. jamiespurs Wrote: | 12.53BST | Jul 28, 2008

Nunchucks

Buy smart policy can be a gamble. Thats 2 players in Keano and Berba that have made us money. What about the Prince-Boateng's and Kabouls of this buy smart policy??? We can't give KPB away and Kaboul will move for £3m!! Thats a loss of nearly £10m on 2 players not to mention players like Zokora,Rocha & Reid. Its all well and good buying in players in the hope that their stock rises but when you are a club that wants to make it to the big time you need to buy the best.

The reason Arsenal don't buy big is because they can't afford to. We CAN spend big. Whats the point of selling Berba and Keane and the other fringe players then just spending dribs and drabs of the money raised?? all we end up is with a big bank balance and fuck all to show for it. Bank statements dont win you trophies, good players do.

You replace quality with quality NOT with a player who might turn out to be worth a few bob a few years down the line.

Its all well and good comparing my argument to Brewsters millions but some may say yours smacks of Ebeneezer scrooge, sitting on your bank balance with nothing to show for it.

If the money is available to buy a proven, goal getting striker who could fire us into the champs league then why not buy him?? I would like to see Huntelaar in a spurs shirt but given a straight choice of Villa and Albelda for £34m or Huntelaar for £20m I'd take Villa & Albelda anyday.

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71. SHELFSIDE Wrote: | 12.54BST | Jul 28, 2008

Nunchucks -
Bentley and Capel yes but Bentley deal they would want 15mill cash is he worth it. Huntelaar wouldn't come what about santa cruz or arshavin (at less than 20mill)???

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72. Blog-Head Wrote: | 13.00BST | Jul 28, 2008

And in other news,

Thers's a sale at Harrods !!!!!

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73. MysteriousStranger Wrote: | 13.06BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to jamiespurs:

Nunchucks

Buy smart policy can be a gamble. Thats 2 players in Keano and Berba that have made us money. What about the Prince-Boateng's and Kabouls of this buy smart policy??? We can't give KPB away and Kaboul will move for £3m!! Thats a loss of nearly £10m on 2 players not to mention...

Jamie,

I don't think Albelda has to hold Villa's hand. So how about Albelda for £2 mill (maybe £3mill tops) and Huntelaar for £20 mill? A saving of £11 or £12 million. And at that price we could perhaps buy another striker for £11 million, perhaps unearth the next Berbatov? Hell, just buy another decent player in any position. Whatever suits the squad as Ramos see it.

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74. toddspur Wrote: | 13.20BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to 9__37:

In other news, what are these rumours concerning the Dame making a quiet exit when the new season begins? Harry, is there anything in your vending machine that tastes like a 'Dame Bar'?

its monday and cant be arsed to figure out who you mean, prey tell oh wise one?

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75. 9__37 Wrote: | 13.28BST | Jul 28, 2008

toddspur - Damien Comolli. Rumours of him not being around for much longer.

Harry, I must admit, when I first saw the title of this latest topic I assumed you were referring that thoroughly nice chap, Chimbo. I suggest an E.J. Thribb-style poem as befits, please.

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76. toddspur Wrote: | 13.34BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to 9__37:

toddspur - Damien Comolli. Rumours of him not being around for much longer.

Harry, I must admit, when I first saw the title of this latest topic I assumed you were referring that thoroughly nice chap, Chimbo. I suggest an E.J. Thribb-style poem as befits, please.

ta mate, agree; hes got gooner in him.

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77. paulhasissues Wrote: | 13.47BST | Jul 28, 2008

Harry,

i think your arshivin story has been blown wide open i found the article below:

"Harry third in line for Spurs target"

image the disappoint when it was something to do with Kaboul and pompy

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78. paulhasissues Wrote: | 13.47BST | Jul 28, 2008

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Harry,

i think your arshivin story has been blown wide open i found the article below:

"Harry third in line for Spurs target"

image the disappoint when it was something to do with Kaboul and pompy

disapointment that should of said :|

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79. 2DayArry Wrote: | 13.55BST | Jul 28, 2008

fuck off you not so Keane Cunt

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80. jamiespurs Wrote: | 13.59BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to MysteriousStranger:

Reply to jamiespurs:

Nunchucks

Buy smart policy can be a gamble. Thats 2 players in Keano and Berba that have made us money. What about the Prince-Boateng's and Kabouls of this buy smart policy??? We can't give KPB away and Kaboul will move for £3m!! Thats a loss of nearly £10m on 2 players not to mention...

Jamie,

I don't think Albelda has to hold Villa's hand. So how about Albelda for £2 mill (maybe £3mill tops) and Huntelaar for £20 mill? A saving of £11 or £12 million. And at that price we could perhaps buy another striker for £11 million, perhaps unearth the next Berbatov? Hell,...

Agreed, Albelda doesn't have to hold Villa's hand but there's alot to be said in buying 2 players who know eachother well. It would definitely help them settle in quicker to their new surroundings.

My main point was that OK, Villa at £31m is expensive. But, thats the market. I think we can all agree on the fact that the guy is top class, and at 25/26 his best years are ahead of him.

Arshavin is 28 and as is stated before a gamble as he has never really played outside of his own country before (Rebrov anyone??)

Huntelaar I do rate but there is no guarantee that he will ever become the player that Villa is now.

If we spend big on Villa and he takes us to the promised land of the champs league then he would of repaid what we spent on him and he would look like an inspired signing. Whereas if we sign someone like Huntelaar, who whilst good may not be good enough to get us champs league qualification and after a few years do a Berbatov on us??

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81. Block23 Wrote: | 14.01BST | Jul 28, 2008

Gents, I have just seen this on Odesey...
What do we think??

"IM PRINTING CAUTION IN CAPITAL LETTERS! THIS INFO HAS BEEN PASSED UNTO ME, AND I SEND IT OUT TO YOU SANITISED VERSION. SOME I BELIEVE, SOME I FIND QUITE OUTRAGEOUS, BUT I'VE DECIDED TO POST ANYWAY, AND IT COMES FROM TWO OF MY AFORE MENTIONED SOURCES. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S FINE, BUT PLEASE DON'T REFRAIN TO DEMEANING SLANGING POSTS.
I was told on Friday night about 11pm that Arshavin had accepted, and terms and personal issues was being ironed out with a success rate of 85-90%. The figures mentioned in the press are inaccurate, as its part of his agreement with his present club, based on loyalty. I say no more on that one.

David Villa, now I'm told he has thrown a spanner into the works in his change of heart for the good, and we seek assurances before commiting on one striker or the other in pen and ink, this goes for Millito hold up.

Capel is desperate to come and has made his feelings known to his club, but there president is becoming obstinate with us, and we know why...

Villa did offer us G Barry in their pursuit of Kaboul. HE IS NOT GOING TO POMPEY FOR 3M, WE HAVE MADE IT CLEAR TO POMPEY c. 7.5m, THE BALL IS IN THEIR COURT ON STAGGERED PAYMENTS (I SAY NO MORE).

Keane we all know about.

I'M TOLD THAT THREE DEALS ARE 100% IN THE BAG AND WILL BE ANNOUNCED WHEN THE IFS AND MAYBE'S ARE SORTED, WE HAVE AGREED A HUSH, HUSH BIG DEAL, BUT THAT ONE STILL HAS PIECES TO IRON OUT.

I CAN'T SAY MORE THAN THAT, MAKE OF IT AS YOU LIKE.

HAVE A GOOD DAY ALL."

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82. jamiespurs Wrote: | 14.03BST | Jul 28, 2008

Anyone know what exactly is going on with Bale and Hutton's injuries?? are they as bad as first thought? or will the two of them be ok for August 16th??

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83. jamiespurs Wrote: | 14.11BST | Jul 28, 2008

If arshavin is coming for the right money then thats fine. but i really hope its no more than £12m

Villa as you have guessed it would be magic. Along with Milito that would give us 3 good strikers with different qualities - Villa, Bent & Milito.

Barry - Interesting indeed. Boyhood Spurs fan, london boy and a very good midfielder who's versatile to boot. The chance to bring him in and get rid of Younes Kaboom is very good.

Capel - as said, the Sevilla chairman doesnt like us so could prove tricky, but would undoubtedly be a great signing.

Wonder why the bentley deal hasn't been mentioned? as suggested earlier by 9.37 I think it may be announced as soon as Keane joins Lpool.

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84. Nunchucks Wrote: | 14.13BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to SHELFSIDE:

Nunchucks -
Bentley and Capel yes but Bentley deal they would want 15mill cash is he worth it. Huntelaar wouldn't come what about santa cruz or arshavin (at less than 20mill)???

Shelf, the opening caveat of my post qualified the meat of the post by stating 'if attracting players to the club was not an issue'. But, for the record, I would happily take Arshavin up front instead. Does that put us in agreement?

JamieSpurs, I'm beginning to see that it is not possible to get through to you using the cold, hard logic of common sense gleaned from Elementary Business 101. Please see the posts of Messrs Mysterious Stranger, and Nine Thirty Seven, and if compelled to post again I would be happy to read why and rebut or agree in turn.

In the meantime, consider this: Imagine you spend £31M on Mr Villa now, who joins, and after, by some miracle, CL football is not forthcoming, decides to up sticks and leave. With the Euros a distant memory, £20-25 might be an optimistic valuation.

Or put it another way, imagine having spent £12M on Davids instead of getting him for a packet of crisps and exorbitant wages (and a night with my ex, who he subsequently rogered in positions I thought they could only do in cartoons). Would you think that was a steal given "the boost he brought to the team", and never mind the fact that you can only ship 32+year old midfielders for little and nowt?

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85. jamiespurs Wrote: | 14.28BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Nunchucks:

Reply to SHELFSIDE:

Nunchucks -
Bentley and Capel yes but Bentley deal they would want 15mill cash is he worth it. Huntelaar wouldn't come what about santa cruz or arshavin (at less than 20mill)???

Shelf, the opening caveat of my post qualified the meat of the post by stating 'if attracting players to the club was not an issue'. But, for the record, I would happily take Arshavin up front instead. Does that put us in agreement?

JamieSpurs, I'm beginning to see that it is not...

As it seems I am having the same difficulty getting through to you and your cautious small business accountancy ethics. I shall make a few points before ending the ping pong trensfer debate:
1)I never quoted that Albelda was worth £12m it was someone else. My point was, when you buy 2 players from the same club for a combined fee what does it matter who costs what?
2)Buying Villa for £31m then getting two-three seasons out of him then having to sell him at a £6m loss for £25m due to lack of champs league qualification is not the end of the world. We have lost more money on Rebrov, Kaboul even a player like Andy Reid we lost around £3m on!! The point is that we had Villa at the lane and we aimed for the stars and came up short.

£6m to a business like Tottenham Hotspur who turn over profit year after year is not a huge hit. If we have the money readily available from Keane and Berbatov sales why spend it on going after a player like Huntelaar when you can easily afford one of the best like Villa??

Or if you would rather us keep buying young players in the hope that they may come good or may turn us a profit some way down the line whilst sitting on the kind of money that could propel us to the champs league you do that.

To compete with the best you have to buy the best. Tottenham is a very well run club, with a top manager and a very healthy bank account, stop stressing about the figures and see this for what it really is, a club with money buying the best.

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86. Nunchucks Wrote: | 14.33BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to jamiespurs:

Reply to Nunchucks:
Reply to SHELFSIDE:

Nunchucks -
Bentley and Capel yes but Bentley deal they would want 15mill cash is he worth it. Huntelaar wouldn't come what about santa cruz or arshavin (at less than 20mill)???

Shelf, the opening caveat of my post qualified the meat of the post by stating 'if attracting players to the club was not an issue'. But, for the record, I would happily take Arshavin up front instead. Does that put us in agreement?

JamieSpurs, I'm beginning to see that it is not...

As it seems I am having the same difficulty getting through to you and your cautious small business accountancy ethics. I shall make a few points before ending the ping pong trensfer debate:
1)I never quoted that Albelda was worth £12m it was someone else. My point was, when you buy 2 players...

What do you do for a living, Jamie?

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that you're not a director or some such. Just sticking my neck out here... whaddaya say?

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87. 9__37 Wrote: | 14.38BST | Jul 28, 2008

If you want to sell ten apples to eleven people you make apple sauce. Unfortunately, footballers aren't apples and don't take kindly to being pureed (although some are fond of pureeing teenagers after drunken binges, and get banged up for it).

If we bought Villa for £31 mil who would we sell him on to if/when the time came? And how much more could his value reasonably appreciate beyond £31 mil? Only a few clubs possess that spending-power, and even fewer would interest the player. Levy didn't get a Cambridge first in Economics just to pass the time.

I have only one thing to say about Edgar Davids - should have gone to SpecSavers.

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88. Magoolio Wrote: | 14.40BST | Jul 28, 2008

The funny thing is that scoring goals have not been our problem......keeping them out is!

Also how do we know we have so much money to spend? From where i am sitting it looks like we are pulling the purse strings a bit (and rightly so i say!).

Change of subject....who is watching the friendly tonight against Norwich? It is on Setanta right? Looking forward to seeing how light weight Dos Santos is lol....

Sorry guys i seem to be on a bit of a negative tip at the mo. It must be seeing "Mr Tottenham" leaving for a side that will struggle to finish 4th this season.

Pass me the paracetamol

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89. jamiespurs Wrote: | 14.42BST | Jul 28, 2008

What do you do for a living???.......

What the fu*k is this?? show and tell??

I'm betting the only thing you direct when not studying "Small Business Accounting" is traffic.

You are erring on the side of caution with your transfer idea's I agree that Huntelaar would be a good signing but he's not in Villa's league. My point is, if we have the money then why not buy a better replacement for Berbatov and Keane.
Its obvious that Levy trusts Ramos and is willing to give him the money he wants, he wouldn't be doing so if we had no money to spend (like Arsenal) What is wrong in going out to secure the signing of one of the stars of world football?

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90. Park Lane Nomad Wrote: | 14.44BST | Jul 28, 2008

because one man a team does not make.

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91. jamiespurs Wrote: | 14.50BST | Jul 28, 2008

Agree PLN he would be the jewel in the crown of a great team. To have a team full of great players you need to start somewhere.

Modric, J2S, Bentley, King, Bale, Hutton, Woodgate - All top quality players who together with a to class striker could push us past Pool and Arsenal.

If we sell Berba for £25 and Keane for £20m thats £45m plus the money from the Sunderland pair and Kaboul will still see us left with over £20m from sales alone.
The money is there to be spent on making us a great side. Why are we so cautious about spending it?

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92. 9__37 Wrote: | 14.53BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Magoolio:

The funny thing is that scoring goals have not been our problem......keeping them out is!

Also how do we know we have so much money to spend? From where i am sitting it looks like we are pulling the purse strings a bit (and rightly so i say!).

Change of subject....who...

Take one of these three times a day. LINK

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93. Nunchucks Wrote: | 14.54BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to jamiespurs:

What do you do for a living???.......

What the fu*k is this?? show and tell??

I'm betting the only thing you direct when not studying "Small Business Accounting" is traffic.

You are erring on the side of caution with your transfer idea's I agree that...

Hahahahaha. It wasn't really a question of any gravitas. I think the answer is obvious by how frequently you post complete nonsense in an ITK fashion on this site.

I don't mind you having a differing opinion from me or anyone else, but you take up 40% of the posts to do so, it gets a big tiresome.

Anyway, you reckon we should be in £32M for Villa. If it that's the no-brainer you suggest, let's just leave it at that and see if it Levy shares your obvious nous.

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94. Magoolio Wrote: | 14.57BST | Jul 28, 2008

Link did not work for me but i shall assume it was funny Nine_Thirty-Seven

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95. jamiespurs Wrote: | 15.01BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Nunchucks:

Reply to jamiespurs:

What do you do for a living???.......

What the fu*k is this?? show and tell??

I'm betting the only thing you direct when not studying "Small Business Accounting" is traffic.

You are erring on the side of caution with your transfer idea's I agree that...

Hahahahaha. It wasn't really a question of any gravitas. I think the answer is obvious by how frequently you post complete nonsense in an ITK fashion on this site.

I don't mind you having a differing opinion from me or anyone else, but you take up 40% of the posts to do so, it gets a...

Agreed,

We'll see if we sign another young player or Arshavin who is no real improvement on Berbatov or Keane and watch us miss out on Champions league football again shall we? Still, knowing that Spurs have a healthy bank balance will make up for not winning trophies or reaching the champs league. And then we'll know that Levy obviously is not the man to take Spurs forward.

I'm on here because i'm bored listening to everyone in Glasgow bang on about the old firm teams all the time. I know i should be doing work but what can you do?

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96. jamiespurs Wrote: | 15.21BST | Jul 28, 2008

BTW, I am very aware that more than likely Villa will end up at Real Madrid! I just hope if we are going to lose both Berbatov and Keane that we end up someone who's better than them otherwise we will be going backwards.

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97. 9__37 Wrote: | 15.25BST | Jul 28, 2008

Magoolio - it was a YouTube medley of goals from the great Glenn Hoddle. Cheered me up, anyway. LINK

Maybe it's a dud link. Last goal featured, if I remember right, was against Oxford United. Glenn just strolls three defenders as if they weren't there, waltzes around the keeper and pops the ball in the net. I was lucky enough to be there on that day. Jaws collectively dropped.

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98. Magoolio Wrote: | 15.26BST | Jul 28, 2008

Jamie like you just said. Villa will probably end up at Madrid. Who are we going to get in that are better than Berba and Keane (both as individuals but more importantly how good they are/were as a partnership?)

:(

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99. 9__37 Wrote: | 15.27BST | Jul 28, 2008

'Jaws collectively dropped.'

Because of Hod, not because I was there. 8O

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100. YankeeYiddo Wrote: | 15.32BST | Jul 28, 2008

I agree on all accounts, H.

18 Sterling for a 28 year old forward who can't score with his left foot really isn't all that bad. Some might read that comment and decree "But it's Keano! We love him!"... Well that love won't stop him from going up north so we might as well look at it from a business point of view. 18 million is damn good money for the little shit.

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101. jamiespurs Wrote: | 15.33BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Magoolio:

Jamie like you just said. Villa will probably end up at Madrid. Who are we going to get in that are better than Berba and Keane (both as individuals but more importantly how good they are/were as a partnership?)

:(

I dont know but its worrying. If we cant replace them adequately then we will regret it come may.

On a brighter note! cant wait to see Spurs v Norwich tonight!! BIOYC!!

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102. Magoolio Wrote: | 15.34BST | Jul 28, 2008

Nine_Thirty-Seven..

Many thanks! The perfect antidote to my brief depression.

Hoddle………the sole reason I am a Spurs fan (he was a vision of football perfection when I was a kid).

I wonder how much a young Hoddle would be worth in the current transfer market?

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103. yideous1 Wrote: | 15.35BST | Jul 28, 2008

I'm with Jamiespurs on this....what's with all this more financially ITK than though claptrap?

Who cares about the £6m we might lose on Villa in a few years anyhow? He's a hugely gifted footballer, why not bring him to the Lane?

What about the joy of watching an incredibly talented group including the likes of J2S, Modric, Villa(maybe), Arshavin(maybe), Bentley, Bale, Hutton etc etc..pulling on a Spurs shirt and giving the likes of Liverpool and Ars*nal and Manure a footballing lesson...on the way to Champions League Football..what price on that?

I couldn't give a rats arse about the fooking accounting and financial dynamics.

To Dare is to Do is it not?

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104. Magoolio Wrote: | 15.35BST | Jul 28, 2008

Not sure about Jaws but my balls had not even dropped when Hoddle was playing lol

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105. jolsgonemental Wrote: | 15.42BST | Jul 28, 2008

cya Bob.

And Congratulations, you now have now joined the assembled ranks of scum who I take great pleasure in booing when they visit the lane, you can stand proudly at the shoulder of Campbell, Terry and Fabregas.

A money grabbing little cunt who has undone 7 years work in the blink of a greedy little eye.

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106. Nunchucks Wrote: | 15.44BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to yideous1:

I'm with Jamiespurs on this....what's with all this more financially ITK than though claptrap?

Who cares about the £6m we might lose on Villa in a few years anyhow? He's a hugely gifted footballer, why not bring him to the Lane?

What about the joy of watching an...

No one's arguing that it wouldn't be nice to see. We were simply pointing out that football is a business, and subsquently why Tottenham Hotspur FC PLC wouldn't go out and do it.

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107. frazzle Wrote: | 15.44BST | Jul 28, 2008

I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading an aruement about whether Huntelaar or Villa should join Spurs!

Get into the real world - the fact is that NEITHER of them will be wearing the lily-white come September the 1st.

Let's fucking move on!

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108. Johnnytwosaints Wrote: | 15.45BST | Jul 28, 2008

If we are able to buy David Villa and he costs £32m and if we then finish top 4 he will have been worth it, and if not it will be easy to argue that the money would have been better spent elsewhere.

But to be honest I don't know why we should be worrying about the money, that's what Levy is there for. All I want is to see a Tottenham team playing good football and challenging for honours, no matter who is in the team.

The only time I worry about money for football is when it comes to buying my ticket.

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109. Magoolio Wrote: | 15.48BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to frazzle:

I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading an aruement about whether Huntelaar or Villa should join Spurs!

Get into the real world - the fact is that NEITHER of them will be wearing the lily-white come September the 1st.

Let's fucking move on!

It is "Silly season" but i totally agree Frazzle.

If we could offer what these players wanted (Champs League) we would not even be on the look out for strikers as Berba and Keano (as a partnership) take some beating.

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110. dave Wrote: | 15.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

All i have to say is Robbie has thrown away a chance to become a true legend of Spurs. He will be remebered as that mercenary cash grabber now. nothing more.

he signed a 5 year contract 12 months ago./

my question is, why has spurs let him go so easily to a direct competitor, when they are making such a fuss about berbatov going to united? surely strengthening liverpool is the owrst move of all as they are arguably the weakest of the big 4.

i think we have to face the facts. LEVY is full of shit, he uses the pretence of trying to crack the big 4 to basically make a huge profit on players.

spurs will not make the big 4 with such foolish transfer policies.

today i am ashamed to be a spur. i thought we had gone past selling. its nothing to do with boyhood clubs ffs, its to do with money and greed and wanting to win top accolades. something we talk about alot under levy but will not achieve if he continues to sell.

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111. jolsgonemental Wrote: | 15.52BST | Jul 28, 2008

on the plus side

the team I consider the weakest of the top 4 and the most likely victims of our own aspirations are looking to blow their transfer wedge on Keane and Barry - genuinely without wishing to sound bitter are they really going to add that much in value to the existing Liverpool squad, how much better if at all is Barry to Alonso etc? As I see it they are spending 30+m to stay the same.

Whilst Spurs have got Modric, Dos Santos, Gomes in the bank and still are looking for Arshavin and Villa as well - possibly with money to burn after.

I still feel good about the transfer window. We will rock.

you doubters (jamiespurs) will be worshipping at the shrine of Arshavin before Xmas.






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112. jamiespurs Wrote: | 15.55BST | Jul 28, 2008

So Nunchucks it appears our argument was completely uncalled for!! lol

So who shall we sign then guys. I think we wont see Spurs playing a 4-4-2 this year so who does everyone think should be our new striker(s)??

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113. Nunchucks Wrote: | 15.56BST | Jul 28, 2008

Of course if was called for, you fucki...

...oh, I just can't stay mad at you. Let's hug it out!

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114. SHELFSIDE Wrote: | 15.58BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to frazzle:

I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading an aruement about whether Huntelaar or Villa should join Spurs!

Get into the real world - the fact is that NEITHER of them will be wearing the lily-white come September the 1st.

Let's fucking move on!

I agree we should move on and so should Levy by unveiling bentley, arshavin and milito before the weekend. GOOD RESPONSE.

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115. dave Wrote: | 15.59BST | Jul 28, 2008

next seasons team will be 443, (or 451 as some call it)

gomes
hutton-king-woodgate-bale
huddlestone-jenas-modric
lennon-bent/berb-dos santos

if we sign arshavin or similar striker i expect him to displace dos santos.

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116. jamiespurs Wrote: | 16.00BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to jolsgonemental:

on the plus side

the team I consider the weakest of the top 4 and the most likely victims of our own aspirations are looking to blow their transfer wedge on Keane and Barry - genuinely without wishing to sound bitter are they really going to add that much in value to the existing...

Arshavin is not a striker. He's an attcaking midfielder. An older version of Modric, apart from the fact that Modric tracks back. If he comes then i'll support him as I would support any Spurs player. I just think £20m for a 28yo version of a player we already have is a big gamble.
How many players have come to the PL from the Russian league and made it big?? Jarosik was the last one I could think of and look at how bad he was!!
That said if he comes. I'll get behind him.

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117. dave Wrote: | 16.01BST | Jul 28, 2008

* sorry 433 not 443

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118. jamiespurs Wrote: | 16.02BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to Nunchucks:

Of course if was called for, you fucki...

...oh, I just can't stay mad at you. Let's hug it out!

I cant stay mad at you either!! I hate it when we argue!! lol

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119. jolsgonemental Wrote: | 16.02BST | Jul 28, 2008

Reply to dave:

All i have to say is Robbie has thrown away a chance to become a true legend of Spurs. He will be remebered as that mercenary cash grabber now. nothing more.

he signed a 5 year contract 12 months ago./

my question is, why has spurs let him go so easily to a direct...

shut up dave, you div.

fucking simpleton.

understand simple concept. robbie keane want to go. liverpool willing to pay 20 MILLION for the cunt. we buy Arshavin for less than we make.

player upgrade at no cost. Good business. Spurs win. Liverpool lose. savvy?



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120. Nunchucks Wrote: | 16.06BST | Jul 28, 2008

How many players come from Mexico and make it big? Or Belarus? Or Serbia?

I know you can't be ruling against Arshavin based on where he's from.

But that's a brand new argument for another day...

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121. Magoolio Wrote: | 16.09BST | Jul 28, 2008

Just been watching Hoddle on youtube....you just cannot tire of watching that man grace a pitch!

Anyway, back to reality! Any danger of us picking up a centre back?

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122. dave Wrote: | 16.12BST | Jul 28, 2008

Jolsgonemental -

you are
1) very assumptive that we are signing arshavin
2)very assumptive he weill be as successful as keane, despite the fact he is an AMF and keane is a striker.
3)Berbatov has wanted to go for a year now and we havent let him
4)villa are playing hardball with barry - why cant we
5) why are you such a pedantic cock?

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123. jamiespurs Wrote: | 16.12BST | Jul 28, 2008

Meant the russian league. Not his nationality. It just worries me that we may be spending £2om on a guy who may find it too late in hsi career to adapt to the premier league. UEFA cup football and the Euro's are played at a much slower, less physical pace than the PL. You must kind of see where i'm coming from??

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